Foreign Policy and American Hubris with Ben Rhodes

As the war with Iran grinds on without clear objectives or an exit strategy, Jon is joined by Ben Rhodes, national security analyst and author of the upcoming book "All We Say.” Together, they assess the current state of the war and its regional fallout, examine how American foreign policy has shaped both the world and our politics since 9/11, and consider what a fundamentally different approach to foreign policy could achieve. Plus, Jon takes listener questions on betting, 86-ing, and pumping gas!